Tuesday, December 18, 2018

Adding to the Leather Family

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I seem to remember seeing a post of yours discussing taking on a second slave, and the first one initially being jealous.

I find myself in a somewhat analogous situation... my SIR has taken on a sub who is himself a Top, so he is both sub and mentee to my SIR. I've never been under the illusion that I am SIR's only boy - I wouldn't want to be.

Oddly, though, I find myself feeling a bit insecure with the new situation. Perhaps it's because I am expected to submit to SIR's new boy when we all play together... I did not really bargain for that as such, though there's no consent violation, either.

And I *like* SIR's new boy. He's a sexy man who - aside from a few of the arrogance issues endemic to 30-somethings - also seems to be an overall decent fellow. I figure time and life experience will work changes on him :-)
It's odd for me, a 56yo man, to feel this way, especially as I have no claim at all. SIR has not given any indication he is going to dismiss me, so rationally, I should have no concerns. How did your first slave get over his unease? Just time and exposure?
This also gives me real cause to carefully consider the feelings of my own boys: two plus a prospective. I see no signs of insecurity or jealousy, but perhaps I am oblivious. I have been watching carefully, though.
I feel like such an adolescent over this, but my feelings around my SIR are intense. I figure since it bothered me more than momentarily, it was worth thinking on. Polyamory + D/s is fairly new territory for me. :-)
If you have any thoughts on this you'd care to share, I'd love to hear them.

Papa Tony:

Thanks for reaching out, good man.

The culture around us does NOT support any part of polyamory. So, each time that a Thruple, a Leather Family or any other form of a multi-way, multi-person dynamic springs up, we are mostly on our own. We usually have to figure it out, day by day. I’m glad to help out.

There are really good books on the topic that might help. If I were you, I would start with The Ethical Slut, and enjoy a nice, cleansing romp through Sex at Dawn. No need to go any farther than that. It’s best if EVERYBODY in the family reads these fine books. Then, honest discussions should follow, so that misunderstandings and hurt feelings are minimized. Knowledge is power.

When my husband of 29 years and I started dating, I insisted that he take the Landmark Forum Introductory Weekend. I wanted him to be on an equal level with me. I knew that I could easily run rings around him if I misused the tools that I had learned, and jerk his chain, and I did NOT want that kind of relationship. I wanted him to be able to call me upon my bullshit. I have never had cause to regret that.

I am quite aware that you, personally, are not the King Alpha God Creature in this extended family. It’s not required. The benefit that you bring to everybody is your questing, sensitive soul and honorable nature. By running and finding out how to make everything work better, you are bringing flavor, spice and a stronger likelihood of continuity to everyone involved.

Good for you!

Handling Poly Relationships

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imlostinvertigo said: You only take on slaves that already have a primary partner, something i completely understand as a married man with a Master myself. I’d love to hear Your thoughts and experiences on how this works for both You and the slave (and the other partner). i’m especially interested in what issues You’ve run into with keeping all people involved happy and making sure that everyone’s needs are being met, and how You’ve worked through those issues.
Papa Tony:

Wonderful questions, and thanks.  It’s nice to have an excuse to share about the topic.



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went through a decade of abusive hell before finding my true life-mate.  Let’s call him Sweetheart (everybody does).  As soon as I realized that I was desperately attracted to him, the VERY FIRST thing I did was to have him read The Book.  I’ve mentioned it on my blog, around 1,287 times.  ðŸ˜€  It’s that good.  Used copies are the best!


I wanted the two of us to have a level playing-field, moving forward together.  Before he met me, he had never been in a relationship longer than six months.  In my case, I haven’t been single since I was fourteen.  I told him truthfully that I am not SEXUALLY monogamous, and never will be.  I shared from my own experience, to help him to understand that I am EMOTIONALLY rock-solid in my dedication to him.

Making Agreements

I suggested that we make some commitments and agreements.  After some back-and-forth negotiating, here are the agreements that we came up with:
• He is my Number One.  If Number One is not happy, then it is my strongest priority to work that out with him.  I want him happy.  A lot.
• If I am out later than 2am, then I will call, so that he doesn’t worry about me.
• He knows that I am playing with other men.  He just doesn’t want to hear about it.
In the early days, we were very sexual together.  HONEYMOON!  I did everything in my power to keep him very, very happy.  Smiling at both ends.  In fact, if we were out at a gay bar, and he would be attracted to another man, I would do my magic and the three of us would be playing in a very short while.

Compersion

I am the exact opposite of jealous and insecure.  I’m a big fan of Compersion.  Seeing loved ones happy and fulfilled is a big, big thrill for me.  The words “Come ON, honey - I KNOW you can suck that juicy cock deeper than THAT!” are very easy for me to say.

After about ten years, the sex between us stopped.  It happens.  He just lost interest in sex with ANYONE.  His older brother and father had the same thing going on at that age.  I grieved, I bargained, I was a big pill about it, until I reached the stage called Acceptance.  Suddenly, the stress went away, and harmony reigned again.

All along, I made it plain to him that I needed to have a Dom/sub relationship thing going on.  If he wasn’t into it (he is entirely “Vanilla”), then I would take on others.  HOWEVER, (and I made this plain, often), if the sub wanted to come between the two of us, then that would be the end of THAT boy in my life.

This even happened, once.  The sub wanted me all to himself.  He called Sweetheart out of the blue to blab all about the stuff that he and I did together.  He was trying to break us apart, so that he could sail in and snap me up.  Bad call.  Rather than react in the usual way, Sweetheart calmly told him that he didn’t care, and already knew.

That was the last time I spoke to THAT boy.  That was a perpetration.

During our time together, I have had nineteen collared boys and four slaves.  None of them have ever lived in our home.  As I grew older, I became less and less interested in interviewing new talent.  It’s a LOT of work, keeping everybody happy, agreeable, and on track.

The big breakthrough happened a few years ago, when my slave Larry invited Sweetheart to join us at leather events.  To my surprise, he DID, and his presence has been a constant pleasure.
He loves my slaves, and they love him.  We all have dinner together once a week, and see each other several other times, usually on the weekends.  We travel together, leaving the slaves’ long-term husbands behind, in full understanding and agreement.

Why would their husbands be so agreeable?

I coached the slaves on what to say to their hubbies, in order to shift the conversation into a better place than the usual JEALOUSY crapola:

• I will be with you for the rest of our lives.  That doesn’t change.
• I need more than you are willing or able to provide.  We have had that discussion.
• I won’t be bringing any problems home.  My Master is a very, very protective man.
• As a result of my getting more of my dreams fulfilled, I won’t be a crabby, unsatisfied bitch any more.

After a few months of adjustment, the slaves’ husbands are okay with the situation.  The previous dissatisfaction has gone away, because the level of love and devotion didn’t diminish.  If anything, it got better.  The slaves get to have everything that they want in life.

Adding to The Family

The slaves wouldn’t be in my life if they weren’t superb human beings.  My slave Bob panicked when Larry came into my life.  Bob worried that I was “trading up,” and that I would dump him.  I stayed patient until I finally got through to him, getting past his fears.

I told him “He is not your competition - He is your slave BROTHER.  You need somebody who you can talk to about me, other than me.  This is a Leather Family, and I am the Patriarch.  The glue that binds everybody together.  Now you have somebody new in your life, to love and support you.”  That was a conscious declaration on my part.  I was creating a new possibility that had not existed before.  Just like that, everything clicked.

Did I leave anything out?
Anonymous said: Thank you for your blog, There’s been some great information for new doms like myself. In one of your recent posts, you mentioned that one sub is married to another man. Would you mind explaining some of the challenges you’ve had with that arrangement and strategies/steps you’ve taken to overcome them?
I explained up to a point, but I will go into a bit more detail now.

There really haven’t been a lot of challenges, frankly.  My two slaves with long-term husbands are rock-solid determined to maintain the happiness that they deserve in their lives.  As I said earlier, they get to have their cake and eat it, too.

They have the long-term comfort of being (and having) a long-term, devoted husband.  They also get to have some “honeymoon” and frolic with a Sir who brings them many sexual, emotional and kinky benefits.  There is a difference between being sexually monogamous, and emotionally monogamous.

I am a very well-known and a popular man, so my slaves also automatically have a massive, supportive social circle.  They are very popular and respected.  This counts for a lot more than a casual observer might think.  We all need to feel that we have arrived into the embrace of a loving community, and are welcome.

Since they came into my life, the lives of my slaves are fun, vivid and interesting.  As a result, any arguments that their vanilla husbands might make to the contrary don’t get much traction, so everybody has had to come to new agreements.

Other than my distinct NON-invitation to my slave’s legal wedding to his husband, things have been sailing along pretty nicely.

It’s a fact of life that long-term male-male relationships become less sexual as the decades go flying by.  Once you have been in a long-term relationship, you learn to adjust.   In the case of the two slaves’ husbands, they have discovered that they get 100% of the same benefits as before, but without the frustrated husband nagging them for the kinky needs that they are not equipped to supply.



mastertrainerprimer:

Your boyfriend may not be ready or willing to learn to interact with you in the way that you desire.  In some cases “he may be willing” but unable to “provide the satisfaction” you desire.  It is the same with ALL relationships there must be some compromise/effort in order to help the other partner achieve happiness.

Master slave training in a relationship has the potential to be truly magnificent, it can be used to manage almost ALL of the common causes for relationship break-ups, eg. poor communication, infidelity, sexual dis-satisfaction, dishonesty, neglect etc…

If you successfully negotiate an agreement for training with your partner it may take a few years to refine and perfect the rules and regulations, be patient with each other…  It can become a very satisfying life journey together that grows and matures with time.

If you give it a go and it doesn’t work, then re-negotiate how you will each be able to satisfy your needs.  It may require a 3rd party to be involved.  If your partner cannot satisfy your dom/sub needs he can help/allow you to satisfy them elsewhere, so that you can continue your emotional relationship together.



slave2766:

Decades of self doubt and confusion resulted in living life in anguish. Then one decision changed everything.

“Unto yourself be true” the real me craved control and submission.

Out of a failed relationship I began to seek others like me. Through the net I found them.

Here I sit now, collared by a man I respect. At peace with my needs and learning contentment.

My blog is full of my stories and desires. You will get to know parts of the journey through it.

Right now I am proud of my courage, happy with my decisions and excited about what comes next…

Whether you love me, hate me, respect me or are neutral on the subject I am comfortable in my own skin.

Sir told me that accepting what I am and what I crave would build my confidence and yet again he was right ;)

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Saturday, December 8, 2018

Mentoring for Tops/Sirs/Doms/Masters

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Tuesday, December 4, 2018

Mentoring Articles

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Grieving

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I would like to say that grieving goes both ways, when my boy died I thought that being with anyone else would be cheating on him and his memory. It seems to become your job to be the person who must remember him, talk about him (to the distraction of your friends). Then you remember all the promises, be together forever (had an agreement for 40 years with an option for 40 more). How finding him took so long, training, fights, love, crying, kissing, spanking……how can I do all that again?
When I advised people in Death and Dying I told them it was like standing in the ocean, knee deep, and the waves break against you and then every so often a large wave comes and almost knocks you down, but you stay standing and continue.  
Thanks for your articles and blog
Papa Tony:

Thank you for demonstrating that relationships can be deep, meaningful and life-changing.  It speaks for your character that you were so powerfully bold as to make such an industrial-strength commitment.  It must be terribly hard to know that you won’t be able to follow through on those forty years.

When my sweet hubby and I first made our commitments, I told him that he gets fifty years out of me, and not one minute more.  At that point, I planned to dump him for an eighteen-year-old on roller skates with a tambourine. 😄  I’m gonna need a time-machine to go back to 1978 to find one!

Decades after losing everyone that I knew to AIDS, the pain is still there, but it doesn’t rule my life and crush me to the ground like it used to.

Deep grieving was slowly replaced by gratitude for what they added to my life, and the shared lessons that have sustained me as I have grown older without them.  I do my very best to remember as much as I can of their lives, and what they meant to me.

Finding Ways to Honor the Dead

I have hosted over 250 gay leathermen’s dance parties - I did this out of an urgent need to bring my brothers together in a series of Guaranteed Safe Spaces.  After so much death and grieving in my Tribe, I knew that we needed occasions for joy.  Every Friday night, we’d get between 400 and 600 men, and it was a glorious time for a few years.

However… Getting that dance-party STARTED was excruciating.  I struggled to get men to stay.  They’d walk into the dance-hall, see six of my friends and an empty dance-floor, pivot on their heel and walk right back out the door.

So, I arm-twisted them to stay.

I’d run up to each man, and say “The DJ has agreed to play a particular song next, and I ask that you join us.  This song is dedicated to all of the men that we have lost to AIDS.  Since they can’t dance any more, let’s dance for them, and carry them in our hearts.”  Who could say no to that?

That became the theme, week after week, and the men stayed.  They brought their friends. They would hit the dance floor, grinning like apes, sweating like pigs, and dancing like angels, four feet off of the ground.

I never got paid for any of the community work that I have done, at least in money.

MY payoff always happened at around 12:30, every Friday, when the DJ would play “Nobody’s Supposed To Be Here” by Deborah Cox, or Whitney Houston’s “It’s Not Right But It’s Okay” - Some irresistible dance-mix that always peaked in a sustained high note.  At that point, the crowd’s pinnacle of excitement would hit DIVA OVERLOAD, and they would ALL scream with ecstatic joy, together in shared brotherhood.

At that moment, I felt like my Tribe was healing, and so was I.

I cried when I wrote this, so yes, the pain is still there.  It’s not so likely to cripple me these days.  I will always carry many, many souls in my heart when I dance.

Monday, December 3, 2018

Aloha, Fellow Tumblr Refugees!

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Papa Tony: There is no telling how long it will be before the wonderful, wise and admirable kinky bloggers find a place as welcoming and useful as Tumblr used to be.

Speaking for myself, I will be re-posting my Tumblr articles here, on this blog.  I was smart, and backed everything up.  I am still driven to help those who are needing helpful advice that they can use.



I will continue to do mentoring of others, so feel free to contact me at askpapatony @ gmail.com - I will respond at length on this blog.

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